Pokerface Resurfaces With The Hutaree Militia

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Pokerface and Hutaree Connection


Back in July there was a Tea Bagger shindig in Upper Senate Park

At this event was a band called POKERFACE who provided the sound system, security and entertainment.

Well, it appears that Pokerface also has a strong connection to the Hutaree militia who were just arrested for plotting a domestic terrorist attack on the local law enforcement.

Pokerface promoted by Hutaree

Pokerface promoted by Hutaree


Pokerface has more of a past with Hutaree than they’re letting on, going so far as to issue the following statement on their site:

“At the present time, Poker Face has no comment on the situation developing/unfolding with the Hutaree folks. But given the governments track record against we the free, it makes us suspect government motives first, not the Hutaree…We pray that cooler heads prevail, and we are talking about ALL sides.”

Pokerface is a band that specifically targets its message to survivalists, militia members and other members of the heavily armed conspiracy fringe.

Here’s a rundown of Pokerface’s “greatest hits”:

Played a benefit for Willis Carto’s anti-semitic American Free Press at Rutgers in 2006
-Endorsed and performed at an event supporting Willis Carto’s Barnes Review
-Lead singer Paul was a frequent poster on neo-nazi forum VNNforum.com
-Holocaust denial, “jews did 9/11” nonsense, “jews were responsible for slavery” idiocy and other anti-semitic bullshit, all in their interview with Mathaba.

Deniers will claim it is unfair to lumping these people in with mainstream conservatives.

The facts are that the band Pokerface identifies themselves as conservative.
They support conservative ideologies.
They support conservative elected officials and they play at conservative events.

Hutaree identifies itself as conservative and christian supremacist.

Militias in general identify their political leanings as conservative.

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  1. Craig Olmstead

    I believe the term is Hutareetards.

    Seriously though I have seen and heard Pokerface and they really aren’t that great of a band regardless of politics. However their politics are really really really bad. This is a copy of their links section:

    WhatReallyHappened is a full on conspiracy website supporting all the mental patients who have made stuff up over the years

    Republic Broadcasting Network is a far right website that is well supported by racists and Stormfront. They also are into conspiracies and that whole survivalist thing

    Militia Radio is more of the same with many links too racist and nutzoid sites.

    American Free Press and Barnes Review is Willis Carto’s holocaust denial venture

    Hutaree is well sort of self explanatory unless you didn’t read the article or haven’t heard any news ever.

    The rest of the stuff is pretty much more of the same sort of crap.

    In their forum on their website which you can visit they have a section called: The Holohaux & the neo-religious CULT of Holohauxianity (I cannot make that shit up)

    Really the conspiracy stuff was far enough but now they have delved into outright holocaust denial and revisionism and right deep in the asshole known as Nazism.

    Patriots my ass. They are a shitty band from Pennsylvania with even shittier politics. Personally I would rather listen to that Lady Blah Blah song Pokerface then stomach a minute of Paul Topete and his group of crap musicians. They almost remind me of one of the really bad hippy type bands at a small city festival except they aren’t hippies they are nazis and far right extremists trying to play themselves off as hippies and they have several albums out that are semi professional. Ouch.

    • DLJ is a pedophile

      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Re: Poker Face and the Hutaree militia

      On March 29, 2010, Poker Face learned of the FBI raid on the Hutaree militia and posted the following statement on our website at http://www.pokerface.com:

      “At the present time, Poker Face has no comment on the situation developing/unfolding with the Hutaree folks.

      But given the governments track record against we the free, it makes us suspect
      government motives first, not the Hutaree.

      For those interested in finding out where Poker Face is playing next,
      please send us an email with NEWSLETTER in the subject line
      to: pokerface@pokerface.com

      We pray that cooler heads prevail, and we are talking about ALL sides.”

      This was posted because a Hutaree training video used the song, I Wanna Know, from the band’s fourth album, Made In America. A link to http://www.pokerface.com also appeared on Hutaree’s front page.

      Hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals and groups have requested use of Poker Face music for movies, videos and other presentations. It is always expressed that one requirement of use is for credit to be given in the form of a link back to our website. Any interaction with Hutaree was limited to this request. Use of our music should not be misconstrued as an endorsement of Hutaree.

      Members of Poker Face do not condone the actions for which the nine members of Hutaree are being charged.

      We continue to reserve judgment on the 9 detained militia members until due process can prove innocence or guilt in this matter.

      While we do not consider all law enforcement officers and state officials to be corrupt, Poker Face does continue to consider government duplicity after reports have surfaced that Hutaree members were unable to construct a pipe bomb without involvement by an undercover agent that had infiltrated the group. It has also been reported that FBI officials setup the memorial event where several of the militia members were arrested. This does give cause to question what else was concocted by agents or informants.

      The scenario is eerily similar to the 1996 raid of a Georgia militia group. Two members were arrested for possession of pipe bomb components. During the trial, it was determined that militia members refused to construct or stockpile bombs or parts when prompted by an undercover BATF informant to do so. Testimony by BATF Special Agent Steven Gillis indicated that the only people who prompted discussion on how to make pipe bombs or placed components on a militia member’s property were government informants. No pipe bombs were ever built, but, the militia members were still charged with conspiracy and possession of an unregistered explosive device.

      This event took place 3 months before the Centennial Olympic Park bombing. Richard Jewell, the security guard who discovered the pipe bomb was identified as a potential suspect. This was based largely on the FBI’s “lone bomber” criminal profile and resulted in a media campaign that promoted him as a failure who planted the bomb to get attention. Three months later, he was cleared and the FBI admitted it had no other suspects

      Consider the more recent terrorist event on Christmas Day, 2009. Kurt and Lori Haskell, both attorneys in Taylor, Michigan, witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab, aka “the Panty Bomber,” trying to board their plane in Amsterdam without a passport. He did eventually gain passage with the help of a sharp dressed man. Their story was initially dismissed by Federal agencies. However, it was reported on Jan 27, 2010 that intelligence officials asked the State Department not to deny a visa to the suspected terrorist. This was stated by Patrick F. Kennedy, an undersecretary for management at the State Department, in testimony before the House Committee on Homeland Security.

      These are just two examples showing how government entities have been lax with public safety and have been heavy handed with American citizens who had no interest in violent acts against the government. Entire libraries could be built to house the chronicles of misdeeds perpetrated against American citizens by their own government.

      We will concede that there are most likely organizations or individuals within every movement and cross section of society who have the ability to act with malicious intent. If Hutaree proves to be one of them, then the fullest extent of the law should be exercised.

      However, not all militias are violent radicals ready to overthrow the U.S. government.

      Most militias are defensive in nature. In a day when our National Guards, which some scholars argue are the equivalent of today’s militias, are being deployed overseas, the current militias are reasonably the last line of defense to protect their respective States. According to the Constitution Society, the Second Amendment “recognize[s] the right, power, and duty of able-bodied persons (originally males, but now females also) to organize into militias and defend the state. It effectively recognizes that all citizens have military and police powers, and the “able-bodied” ones — the militia — also have military and police duties, whether exercised in an organized manner or individually in a crisis.” http://www.constitution.org/leglrkba.htm

      Many of the organized militias have been called upon by their communities in recent years to assist local governments or agencies. In fact, 3 members of the Hutaree militia were called upon to help in a search and rescue mission on March 25, 2010.

      http://www.annarbor.com/news/bridgewater-township-turns-to-militia-for-help/

      Our biggest concern with this whole fiasco is that it will further divide the country. Continuing down this path will ensure that the general population, whether Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Progressive, left or right, black or white will continue pointing fingers at each other until this country is plunged into another civil war where brothers will be fighting brothers.

      Our biggest hope is that all sides will understand these ramifications, realize that this nation is in serious trouble economically, morally and functionally, comprehend that the two-party system is nothing more than a monopoly of corporate interests, and join together in a peaceful Revolution to restore power to the people and their individual States without the necessity for the type of violent Revolution that birthed the Union.

      May God have mercy on our country and our souls.

      Poker Face promotes a strict adherence to Constitutional government and resistance to tyranny through music using poignant and often times controversial lyrics. The band has performed in support of Presidential and Congressional candidates from the Libertarian, Republican, and Reform Parties as well as events sponsored by the Progressive Democrats of America and the U.S. Marijuana Party.

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      • Dennis Biedler spams web forums with shemale pornography

        Where were the militias when Bush forced this country into an illegal war and occupation?

        Where were the militias when Bush instituted the PATRIOT act?

        Where were the militias when the PATRIOT act specifically suspended constitutionally provided 4th Amendment rights to American citizens?

        Where were the militias when the Joint Terrorism Task Force was tasked with specifically violating the 4th amendment rights of American citizens?

        Where were the militias when Bush illegally wiretapped thousands of innocent US citizens?

        Where were the militias when the Secret Service was arresting and detaining people for the mere act of wearing pink near Bush’s speaking events?

        Where were the militias when thousands of anti-war protesters were put on terrorist watch lists and do-not-fly lists?

        Where were the militias when the Bush administration specifically authorized our troops to commit war crimes against Iraqi civilians?

        Where were the militias when the Bush administration specifically authorized the torturing of prisoners of war?

        Where were the militias when Bush created the TSA, whose sole purpose seems to be strip searching elderly women and invading the privacy of every person who wants to fly?

        Why did the militias fade away after Bush was elected?

        Why do militias only seem concerned about the integrity of this country when Democrats have any level of power?

        Where the fuck were YOU? Shilling for do-nothing elderly republican congressmen? Pandering to pro-marijuana lobbyists without telling them that you honestly believe Jews are responsible for 60% of all unreported crime? Plying your wares to heavily armed, xenophobic shut-ins?

        These aren’t rhetorical questions. These are honest questions that demand that YOU SPECIFICALLY answer them. If you give me some cock-and-bull story about “threat assessment,” “prioritizing the mission” or any other flowery Rumsfeldian doubletalk, you’re nothing but a hypocrite and an apologist for domestic terrorists. If you don’t answer at all, you are a coward.

      • Meh!

        So if DLJ is a pedophile (which he is clearly not) then Paul Topete must be a combination of Hitler, Stalin, the child abusers within the Church, Bernie Madoff* (not the Jewish part) and Pedro Alonso Lopez (who killed over 300 young girls) combined. However since DLJ is not a pedophile Paul is not any of the people I listed, but he does have some ideological similarities with some of those people even if he hasn’t committed their atrocious acts.

        Pokerface is a horrible band and they claim they had no relationship with the Hutareetards yet they shared links with each other and Pokerface made a statement about the loser militia. They also support groups who are outright racists, fascists and promoters of violence. They can make all the long boring rants they want about how the Govamint is evul becuse they don’t allow us milita men too start our murderous rampages and how DLJ is a “pedophile” because he kicks your racists asses regularly but it won’t cover up anything. They are and will be racists and their music will probably always suck and they have no defense.

        Anyone who resorts too calling someone a pedophile in an argument (unless of course the person actually is a pedophile unlike DLJ) is a loser through and through and a shame to their band or their movement or whomever they are involved with. Paul and his shitty band should be ashamed of themselves for calling DLJ a pedophile and for trying to stick up for the Hutaree while denying they have a relationship with them.

        *Madoff was used because he was a major scam artist like Paul who tries to scam people out of their money for his crappy music and tries to scam people into thinking they are patriots and proud americans when they would rather America be run by white racists who wish to kill Jews and people of color. They also are trying to scam people into believing batshit crazy conspiracies and support holocaust denial which from reading their boring ass rant they didn’t try and deny.

        They have claimed in the past they aren’t racist yet their personal forum says quite clearly OTHERWISE!

        Paul grow up and get a life and maybe learn how to play good music not your craprock. Heck I would rather listen to this over and over than your crap:

        at least they make me laugh and are playing a funny song and they are promoting violent militias.

  2. Glad I got your attention

    It may surprise you to hear this, but, many within the militia communities were speaking out about exactly those things you listed. Just because it wasn’t reported doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening.

    The militias never went away, and this BS about them only spiking in numbers after an African American was elected President is another divide and conquer tactic. Potok or whatever his name is from the SPLC is either ignorant of the facts or purposefully feeding the “left vs right” paradigm.

    As for Poker Face, we were also speaking out about these things. Every point you mentioned is a gross example of an out of control government. So, don’t give me that 2 dimensional argument about Democrat vs Republican … blah blah blah. Go back and read the last 2 paragraphs of the press release.

    Poker Face will fight for your rights as much as our own. And, that’s the only way this country is going to get out of the mess it’s in. All sides need to understand this. Quit making it a left vs right battle and focus on freedom vs tyranny.

    As for referencing your buddy DLJ, he needs to wake up and quit playing the race card. It’s a worn out argument. We are not racists regardless of how you want to interpret what’s on our forum board. But, if that’s the stupid ass game he wants to play, so be it. Remember we will also fight for your right to free speech. He seems to be the only one supporting censorship.

    So, here’s the olive branch. Look at the bigger picture and talk to those who are outside your little box. That’s what we do. Talk to anyone and everyone to effect positive change. If you stay within your own circle you’re just preaching to the choir and nothing will get accomplished.

    • ladylibertyslamp

      Paul- we don’t make deals with racists and Nazis, period.

      You are nothing more than an Archie Bunker with long hair.

      You are a racist, a Holocaust denier, a xenophobe and not even that great of a musician.

      You support Willis Carto, and the racist hack journalism of the American Free Press as well as the known pro-fascist Barnes Review.

      You support the Nazi Ernst Zundel.

      You support the racist anti-immigration groups like the “Voice of the People”, and that scumbag sandwich shop slop slinger Geno who won’t serve people who don’t speak enough English for him.

      We know exactly what you are

      How about you make a grand apology to the Jewish, black and immigrant communities you and your band of racist rockers have rallied against and insulted all these years?

      Get off your idiot conspiracy theory trojan horse and join the human race if you want people to give your mediocre band a chance!

      Until you own up to your own bullshit, you and your hillbilly racist black helicopter seeing band are on the poison list.

      • Silly little Black Supremacist racists. Facts are for adults, – lies/slander/libel are for emotionally driven responses of children…

        Just because someone from the Poker Face camp replies to your putrid swill, doesnt mean it is coming from me. Paul. Anyone of the band mates can speak eloquently on any subject, and school mental midgets like you.

        Lady-NOliberty lamp…. You are like a horse with blinders. Can only see what your race pimp masters tell you to see and respond on. Tell Abe at the ADL and Morris Sleeze at the SPLC we said hello. Tell Morris that we are pushing for an investigation into his ties to Andreas Strassmeier and his role in OKC.

        What your dense minds cant wrap around Ernst Zundel is this. HE DESTROYED the myth called the holoco$t, with two court cases in 1985 and 1988. Had the biggest names of the holohaux industry on the stand, and their lies crumbled.
        Read THEE book on the HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY by Norm Finklestein. Then watch the new movie put out by an Israeli Jew called DEFAMATION. Time you got a learn on.

        Why we support Ernst the most, is because in todays politically correct climate, a group of people(ashekenazi-khazar Yiddish speaking Jews) have been allowed to abuse laws, and get laws in place in many western nations where you now have HURT Feelings be the basis of why people go to jail. Not actual crimes like Rights violations or property damaged.

        Dont like the truth he has to say. I dont give a fuck. I do care if words or thoughts or speech gets criminalized, and RIGHT NOW over 250,000 people around the world sit in jail for speech and thought crimes.

        Why this doesnt concern you speaks greatly. Stop wrapping your self around Freedom, and the first Amendment – the Freedom of speech, when all you do is attack it, hide behind it. Call people names. Stir up shit that doesnt exist, and try to legitimize your sad little existence. A mouth piece for the Globalist – establishment.

        Another thing at poker face we find quite amusing, especially with DLJ and his One Peoples Rejects… They sure spend a lot of time on Jewish issues that really have no consequence to his Black base. And if you or he are so concerned about Black issues, why didnt you go and help support your Black congress woman when she was locked up in Racist Israel for coming to the aid of the concentration camped Palestinians.

        Why is it that we are not racists and right wingers when we play leftist events like the PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) conference Held in Wash DC 2005.

        I guess it doesnt sell well to your rabid, anti-Americanite readership. We play at events that cross political boundaries to reach the 80% of the common person that is there. The ones that know there is something wrong, and are looking for solutions. I gotta say this when playing at a few of these events, when we sit and listen to the leadership of either side, they employ the SAME FUCKING SCARE TACTICS to move the base. Keeping us all from talking sensible to each other, we are emotionalized to the point we stop thinking. Basically what you do everyday LLL (Does that really stand for Luscious Lipstick Lesbian?)

        There are a lot of issues Poker Face can be viewed as leftist. But what it really is, is that Poker Faces point of view is that of a Constitutional one. Freedom for all, not just the rich elite few, that you carpet bag for.

        Lastly, I guess you have never heard us preach the 80% solution, where all of us set aside our 0-20% hardcore differences and come together on the majority of issues affecting all of us. Remember, we are getting screwed by the same mechanism – a government run by criminal political cartels. Again, this doesnt sell well to the right/left, conservative/liberal, democommie/republinazi divide and conquer mechanism you are employed to put out.

        I tend not to waste my time on garbage like yours. Its why i didnt bother replying to the July 4th crap you put up. Gotta say, thank you for all you do for poker face. All the wailing and screaming and frothing at the mouth you do, actually send some thinking, CD buying, American loving people to check us out, and then declare… I cant find anywhere that you are racist… America lover yes.. but racist NO…

        Your braying cries of wolf(racists) are dying… Thank God.

        • ladylibertyslamp

          awww shit, Paul’s off his meds again….LOL!

        • ladylibertyslamp

          Oh yeah, this post of lunatic idiocy is going to be shown to a lot of people. And Lisa Miller is going to pay for hiring them on when the Alexandria Virginia Republicans are sent this.

  3. Montana

    I love that they asked for “Public Defenders”, now they know about the undercover FBI agent. The simpleton Tea baggers keep missing the point. These are the same whiners that were crying when the McCain/Bailin ticket lost. Now they are crying again because their yelling (because they are haters not debaters) did not stop health care from passing. They think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something they are not the only ones that are armed and not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey then the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. Do not cry when regular people openly laugh at your group when they see on TV that your leaders are Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and that turn coat Glenn Beck from the LDS. They do more to discredit you on TV (powerful) than any of my comments do in the blog sphere.

  4. Dennis Biedler spams web forums with shemale pornography

    Holy crap, look at that wall-o-text! I think it’s time for someone’s seroquel.

    Don’t worry, I’ll save the entirety of your rambling holocaust-denying gibberish and post it everywhere– and to all the progressive groups you played for.

    Have fun with unemployment!

  5. Glad I got your attention

    People call me crazy, but, I still believe we can come to understand each other’s positions without the emotional hysteria around stereotypes. Don’t get yourselves all riled until you hear me out on this.

    Our side feels that you have no idea what we’re about. This is evident in Montana’s post, which was probably the most coherent and well spoken post on this thread (besides my own of course). The thing is that we blast most, if not all, of those same people that you claim represent us.

    Your side blasts us for talking about Jews. I’ll cover this once so we don’t have to have the same old argument – you’re racist – no we’re not – yes you are – no we’re not – etc etc etc

    I noticed your article about Jews exposing Zionism. This is exactly the type of thing we would post on our forum. We do not blame all Jews for the ills of the word. But, as you so eloquently show in the article, there are some that are not of reputable character.

    When your Jewish readers come to our forum, they should be angered at the atrocities that some people are doing in their name. Maybe it’s more abrasive in presentation. But, as a wise man once said, “We’re rock n roll. We’re nasty little bastards.”

    And, this leads right to the Holocaust issue. We never denied that it happened. We just question the authenticity of some facts. If there are people that are purposely skewing my people’s history, making a boat load of money off of it, not sharing the reparation money with the people it was collected for, and influencing a nation’s government for their own selfish wants, then I’d be a pissed off mother fucker.

    The point that Paul tried to make about Ernst Zundel and the thousands of imprisoned thought criminals is that people go to jail for asking questions. Regardless of who it is or what they’re talking about, nobody should be going to jail for their thoughts. If you disagree, I seriously hope that nobody ever outlaws anything you question. Even though we’ve had our pokes at each other, I still believe you have your inherent rights.

    I can’t say it loud enough. We do not hate any group because of the actions of some.

    I don’t want to go any farther down this road because, as I’ve pointed out in another debate some time ago, the Jewish/Holocaust issue is less than 10% of what is on our forum board the last time I checked.

    As far as coming out swinging with the dig at DLJ, I automatically associated this site as being a carbon copy of his. My apologies if I offended the folks here with that. I still don’t have a lot of respect for the man. This is the guy who decries hate and racism and then admits to supporting acts of violence. I can even recount one case of him being called out for committing acts of terroristic threats and admitting to it. If that is his way of combating violence and hate, he is no different than the people he targets.

    I should really address him there, but, I doubt he’d ever let us post on his private forum board. My question for him is whether racism is a one way street or coming from multiple cliques? For all the times I’ve visited his site, every shot he takes is at whites being the aggressor. Are there no cases from any other groups? Obviously, the folks here are open enough to discuss other cases ala the Zionism article.

    Let’s cover the white supremacist topic since we’re on the race topic. Yes, Paul has posted on boards like VNN. As we’ve said, we will talk to anyone. Not everyone on that board is a hardcore supremacist. You must differentiate between supremacy and pride of heritage. Who can blame anyone, whether Jew, Hispanic, Black, Asian, etc for being proud of their past. When the ideology moves to a supremacist attitude, then there’s a problem. Why anyone gets tied up with supremacist attitudes is anyone’s guess. But, which is more noble, shunning someone because of the group, or sharing ideas that might better a person who could influence others to break free from hateful ideals.

    I know there’s some who are just itching to yell Nazi now. But, think about this: the Nazis practiced censorship. That doesn’t come from the Poker Face camp.

    Ooph, that’s enough for now. Sorry, for the novel, but, I don’t have the time to check in 50 times to debate each topic. Figured, I’d just get it all out at once.

    Not sure I’ll even check back. But, if anyone wants to debate (yes we’re able to do that without hating as was referenced above), we’re always up for the exchange of ideas and opinions.

    If you want to keep the same old same old mud slinging at each other, let me give a pre-emptive fuck you.

    I hope that fuck you is not necessary.

    I’ll leave off with a bit of associative rationale that made me laugh earlier

    If you judge someone by the association of others, the following must be true:

    Cops beat Rodney King = all cops hate black people
    Hutaree planned to kill cops (allegedly) = all militias hate cops
    Therefore … all militias are defending black people

    Poker Face associates with Willis Carto = PF is racist
    Montana and “Dennis Biedler spams web forums with shemale pornography” agree on people who are assholes = PF and those guys agree
    Montana and “Dennis Biedler spams web forums with shemale pornography” post on LLL
    Therfore … LLL is secretly forming a racist militia with Willis Carto in order to defend black people by killing cops.

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    • ladylibertyslamp

      Ummm, you posted on your facebook that the racist anti-semetic piece of shit Eustace Mullins is your big fucking hero!!!!

      We are glad he’s DEAD and burning in hell where he belongs, but, shit, there is NOTHING you can do to cover up what you are really about.

      From wiki:

      “Mullins was accused of antisemitism by the Anti-Defamation League. In 1968, Mullins authored a tract, The Biological Jew (Staunton, Va., Faith and Service Books, Aryan League of America, 1968), which includes the following statement about Nazi antisemitism: “Nazism is simply this — a proposal that the German people rid themselves of the parasitic Jews. The gentile host dared to protest against the continued presence of the parasite, and attempted to throw it off.” The book also claims that Jews “drink the blood of innocent gentile children” in religious ceremonies, and that this practice represents the essence of Judaism.[5] He was a guest on The Political Cesspool, a radio show.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins

      Given Pokerface’s obsession with Holocaust denial, this is beginning to make perfect sense.

      You all hate Jews! Period!

      You are not about anti-Zionism or trying to espouse freedom of speech.

      You want to openly hate Jews but not suffer the shunning that racists get.

      Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.

      You want to be right wing hate mongers without the label.
      Sorry you are labeled and you are going to poison everyone who goes near you.

      Save your shell game for the hillbillies who buy your line of crap, nobody is buying it here.

      And BTW, your buddy Paul is a real mental case, make sure he takes his Seroquel!

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